I don't want to save a creek for the creek's sake, but what's in it for human beings.
Somali is turning into a desert. Rwanda, you can hardly find a place to plant a potato, it's so crowded.
How we treat the earth basically effects our social welfare and our national security.
I don't think we're going to save anything if we go around talking about saving plants and animals only; we've got to translate that into what's in it for us.
The other thing is quality of life; if you have a place where you can go and have a picnic with your family, it doesn't matter if it's a recession or not, you can include that in your quality of life.
I always said it was to be dumb enough to do what Marlon Perkins said to do.