I always said it was to be dumb enough to do what Marlon Perkins said to do.
Somali is turning into a desert. Rwanda, you can hardly find a place to plant a potato, it's so crowded.
How we treat the earth basically effects our social welfare and our national security.
I don't think we're going to save anything if we go around talking about saving plants and animals only; we've got to translate that into what's in it for us.
The other thing is quality of life; if you have a place where you can go and have a picnic with your family, it doesn't matter if it's a recession or not, you can include that in your quality of life.
The quicker we humans learn that saving open space and wildlife is critical to our welfare and quality of life, maybe we'll start thinking of doing something about it.